Post by: Peter on January 16, 2010, 16:59:19 PM
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Post by: Happy Days on January 16, 2010, 18:59:14 PM
I admire your tenacity. Thanks for letting us see your handy work in progress
One question,……your workshop doesn’t look like a greenhouse. So why is there a max/min thermometer in the first picture??? :lol:
Post by: Alan_Perse on January 17, 2010, 11:59:59 AM
Post by: joe on January 17, 2010, 20:26:37 PM
Post by: orionis on January 26, 2010, 18:07:56 PM
Peter's pictures made me feel like building this glider.
I've emailed and faxed Traplet and asked some questions but I received no answer yet.
I've been told the their postal delays are quite long; maybe someone who own this plan could make a copy out of it?
Please feel free to PM me if you are agree or know another way to buy this plan.
Fabrice
Post by: Peter on January 26, 2010, 20:24:23 PM
I bought a canopy from Traplet last year and it worked out OK. Hopefully they will respond to you. If not - post again. If you start a build - put some pictures on the forum. It would be interesting to compare notes! Good luck!
Keith - my work area is on a return attic landing with an overhead Velux window and no heating - its boiling in the summer and freezing in winter - hence the max/min themometer! Started this build straight after Christmas - although I had been doing some fret sawing for about a month before - targeted two formers a day!
Post by: Alan_Perse on January 26, 2010, 20:53:29 PM
Post by: orionis on January 27, 2010, 08:04:43 AM
I'll surely post pictures of my building, but it won't be before a while, I have a lot of other building projects to be achieved before this one!
However, I'll follow your own building very carefully.
Post by: Steve650 on February 12, 2010, 08:26:10 AM
Cheers Steve
Post by: orionis on February 12, 2010, 08:33:06 AM
When I'll begin my own building, this post will be an international asw 19-20 building post! :wink:
Post by: Steve650 on February 13, 2010, 03:00:33 AM
Cheers Steve :D
Post by: Peter on February 14, 2010, 14:04:26 PM
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Post by: orionis on February 14, 2010, 14:35:19 PM
Did you choose which version you're building, 19 or 20? The only difference between the two versions is the flaps, is that correct?
Post by: Steve650 on February 17, 2010, 08:27:56 AM
I'm doing the 19 version which the RAF had called the Valiant T1(??) There were only 6 built for them, so hopefully I can do it justice.
Cheers Steve
Post by: Alan_Perse on November 12, 2010, 17:29:48 PM
How is the ASW 20 coming along?
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Post by: Alan_Perse on November 14, 2010, 11:50:31 AM
Post by: Peter on May 12, 2013, 19:24:31 PM
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Post by: Alan_Perse on May 12, 2013, 20:51:37 PM
Post by: Happy Days on May 15, 2013, 09:07:05 AM
1/ Have you the courage to launch it?
2/ When?
I think if I’d put three years work into a project I’d build a glass case around it and spend an eternity just looking at it! :lol:
Keith.
Post by: JohnPearson on May 20, 2013, 21:15:03 PM
Post by: Peter on May 20, 2013, 22:57:06 PM
Post by: Roy on March 29, 2014, 08:40:41 AM
Post by: Fred on March 29, 2014, 10:02:48 AM
Welcome to the forum :D
I leave Peter to answer your question, and the way he did it on his ASW20
:D
The Cirrus plan is from the 80s I believe right? :?: I see what you mean for the servo install, that certainly used bellcranks in the wings etc etc :?:
Post by: orionis on March 29, 2014, 10:05:33 AM
Post by: Peter on March 29, 2014, 21:25:01 PM
The first Mike Trew plan I built from was a Pilatus and I went for film covering on the fuselage - not entirely successful as the fuselage shape is quite complex and hard to get the film on neatly without having too many joins. Hence on the ASW I went for a paint finish - I glassed the front end and then spent quite a lot of time filling and sanding before applying an undercoat and then several spray coats of paint, sanding lightly between coats. I just used a commercially available spray can. Make sure whatever glue you use for the planks can be sanded easily - otherwise it may be quite hard to get a smooth surface - I used Resin W. Result - still some imperfections but it is a home crafted model and has not popped out of a mold so I am not too worried! Yet to fly it - thwarted by a combination of weather and work.
Best of luck with your build - certainly there is a lot of effort in a planked fuselage but good to have a project like this on the go and the end result is quite satisfying.
Peter
Post by: Roy on March 30, 2014, 07:10:57 AM
Post by: Roy on April 14, 2014, 03:24:52 AM
Post by: Peter on May 17, 2014, 22:47:23 PM
First flight of the ASW20 today at Killakee. Here it is is back on the ground in one piece. A little on the windy side 30 kph+ for a test flight but it seemed to go well - landing a little hairy but survived with just the rudder horn pulled out after digging a wing in.
Post by: Happy Days on May 18, 2014, 06:44:47 AM
Four years in the making but you got there eventually, so a big pat on the back for you. Must be very exciting flying her for the first time after all that work. I always say it’s good to feel your heart beating in your chest :D …..you know you’re alive. :wink:
So what’s the next project? A full house wing for the Phase 6 perhaps? 8)
L. Keith
Post by: Alan_Perse on May 18, 2014, 07:54:43 AM
Post by: Fred on May 19, 2014, 10:59:13 AM
Post by: Roy on June 06, 2014, 22:08:07 PM
Post by: brian245 on June 06, 2014, 22:28:46 PM
Did you build from scratch or from the Traplett wood kit?
Post by: Roy on June 06, 2014, 23:22:13 PM
Post by: alibodin on July 12, 2014, 20:16:44 PM
Alistair
Post by: Rasmussen on August 18, 2014, 13:49:22 PM
VERY nice Building of the ASW :D And congratulation with your first flight.
I have just bought a complete kit(plan,short wood kit+canopy) from Traplet. It worked out very well. Now after seeing all you good photo`s and the "ship"is flying, I am keen to get started building.
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And to you good fellow ASW builders. Thanks for your input.Hope I´ll be able to contribute as the Building is going along.
Best regards Joern Rasmussen
Denmark
Post by: Rasmussen on August 19, 2014, 20:29:34 PM
I Wonder if some of you know what the aerofoil is:name/type? It looks different from what I saw way back.
It is my first scale glider and only my second project after more than 30 years brake from aeromoddeling.
I had done 20years with C/L and freeflight gliders so this RC scale gliders is a whole new world, allmost, and very exciting.
:?: :)
Joern
Post by: alibodin on August 19, 2014, 20:39:40 PM
I have the same kit from Traplet. I do not know what the airfoil is sorry.
Was your canopy black on the plan? I think there is information there on how to build the canopy frame. I will enquire of Traplet and see what they say.
Alistair
Post by: Rasmussen on August 20, 2014, 20:08:22 PM
The canopy from Traplet is clear and very nice. It has to be cut when fitting to the frame as per pland.
Cheers Joern
Post by: alibodin on August 20, 2014, 23:23:22 PM
Anyone got an old copy of the plan with the detail in the canopy area?
Alistair
Post by: Fred on August 27, 2014, 16:58:13 PM
Quote from: "Rasmussen"
Hello.
I Wonder if some of you know what the aerofoil is:name/type? It looks different from what I saw way back.
:?: :)
Joern
Hi Joern,
Welcome to the forum :D
I can't really answer your question (cannot find any info), but seeing the age of the plan, I would bet on an Eppler, the 2 series.
Might worth to be compared with a E203, E210 and the like as they were very popular at the time (and still are, my ASH 25 uses one of the Eppler 201 - 203 combination).
After that, maybe a HQ? :?:
Post by: Rasmussen on August 30, 2014, 14:54:12 PM
Thank you very much.
I will look up the profile data`s. It really does`nt matter but I am just curious.
When you say age of the plan, how old do you think it is?, can`t se any year/dates.
cheers Joern
:D
Post by: Fred on September 01, 2014, 07:47:54 AM
I think the plan is a good 20 years old. If someone can confirm :D
Post by: Peter on September 01, 2014, 22:23:14 PM
Are you both building the Mike Trew version? This plan must be over 30 years old. The canopy area on my plan is grey(!) rather than black and the text on it reads '1/8 plywood or paxolin canopy frame' - I made mine from plywood. The airfoil I suspect is a scale one - I'm not sure what it is. There are certainly more efficient sections for models around but it flew fine on the slope. It looks a similar section to on Roy's Cirrus. Good luck with your builds and post some pictures. I've just started on a Slingsby Gull Mk 1 from the Paul Dean plan - endless fret sawing but formers are now cut. Will start a separate thread once it begins to take shape.
Peter
Post by: Rasmussen on September 02, 2014, 21:18:46 PM
Thank you for your info.
Yes we are both building Mike Trew`s ASW 19 but mine will have an electric motor in the nose "instead of lead". No flaps or wheel. I am flying from flat fields and often alone.
I am working on both fuslage halfs and have not yet started on wings.
Cheers Joern
:D
Post by: alibodin on September 02, 2014, 22:18:07 PM
Traplet kit is pretty good, one part is wrong which is wrong on the plan. One has to cut ones own dihedral wedges, apart from that all fiddly bits are done. All ribs formers, tailplane ribs and rudder ribs all done.
Alistair
Post by: orionis on September 03, 2014, 05:59:01 AM
Post by: alibodin on September 13, 2014, 22:46:19 PM
No where near perfect, however it is straight and it looks right.
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Next challenge is add the other half to the first half and then make it all smooth.
I have a plan to make it smooth adding 1/32 inch sheeting over the current planking as it can be added in long wide strips.
Alistair
Post by: brian245 on July 10, 2015, 09:06:57 AM
Have other builders built 'as per plan'and found it satisfactory?
Any comments appreciated.
One other question, what method of wing retention have you used?
Post by: alibodin on July 11, 2015, 20:44:27 PM
I am still building my ASW20. The wing structure looks fine to me. Mike Trew is a competent designer. Peter and Joern on here have both built and flown the model and not heard of any mishaps.
For wing retention I plan to use white electrical tap wrapped round the root of the wing and the fairing of the fuz. Used it on scale models in the past and it is very reliable.
Alistair
Post by: brian245 on July 11, 2015, 21:21:30 PM
Thank you for your comments, tape was one idea I had considered and is probably the most simple
Post by: alibodin on August 31, 2015, 21:27:03 PM
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Now on with the Pilatus B4,
Alistair
Post by: Andrew101 on April 26, 2020, 08:26:17 AM
Anyone still available to talk about the ASW 19/20?
I've picked up a laser cut kit but tbh don't have a clue what I'm doing!
Many thanks Andrew.
Post by: Peter on April 26, 2020, 20:46:07 PM
Peter
Post by: Andrew101 on April 27, 2020, 08:28:35 AM
Great job on your build, how are you and the glider getting on ?
I'm just waiting on plans to have a good look at, then will be ordering the relevant supplies. Main issue for myself is that this will be my 1st kit and 1st plane! I have a fair amount of experience with helicopters, but zero fixed wing.
I'd also like to go with a powered version.
Any help welcome
Order of steps for powered glider?
Supplies/tools needed?
Suggestions for electronics and Spektrum RX ?
Thank you.
Post by: Peter on April 27, 2020, 22:36:01 PM
All the best,
Peter
Post by: Andrew101 on April 28, 2020, 08:33:22 AM
Yes I realise I'm definitely in way over my head. The plans haven't arrived yet but was going to attempt the build anyway for the learning process and let it take as long as needed. But you're right I'll probably try and sell off the kit, canopy and plans and buy 2nd hand. Maybe have a go in a few years.
Thank you Andrew
Post by: rogallo on April 28, 2020, 09:20:50 AM
Andrew Boyle from the phone call by any chance?
https://www.hoelleinshop.com/Planes-Helicopters-Quadcopters/Planes/Electric-gliders/Multiplex/EasyGlider-4-KIT-Version-Spw-1800mm-Multiplex-214332.htm?shop=hoellein_e&SessionId=&a=article&ProdNr=M214332&t=49301&c=12333&p=12333
is a good model to learn to fly with, this is the electric version. It requires 3 servos and the motor kit (listed in the accs tab) and a few leads etc. Are you already using Spektrum radio ? Is it DSM2 as you can no longer buy receivers for this any more.
Also requires is a battery an a bottle of glue and a radio set. Assuming you have a radio should cost about 250 euro.
Regards
Ralph
Post by: Andrew101 on April 28, 2020, 11:43:58 AM
Sorry that wasn't me.
I've been flying Heli's for 10 years on and off, can fly inverted circuits etc and just about manage piro flips. I have a trex 700L V2 and Sab Goblin 570 running a Spektrum DX9 using DSMX.
I'm not too keen on buying something that I may want to replace quickly. Long term goal is to fly a mid scale acro powered glider.
This was an impulse buy that I'd be happy to try and start, see how I get along and seek advice along the way. But think I'll just buy a ready to fly or ARTF. Don't really want to buy something that I would want to replace quickly though.
Thanks Andrew.
Post by: rogallo on April 28, 2020, 12:06:35 PM
Ralph
Post by: rogallo on April 28, 2020, 12:12:13 PM
https://www.hoelleinshop.com/Planes-Helicopters-Quadcopters/Planes/Electric-gliders/Multiplex/M264276-HERON-RR-ELAPOR-4-flap-wing-264276-special-price-as-long-as-on-stock.htm?shop=hoellein_e&SessionId=&a=article&ProdNr=M264276&t=49301&c=12333&p=12333
https://www.hoelleinshop.com/Planes-Helicopters-Quadcopters/Planes/Electric-gliders/Multiplex/SOLIUS-RR-Ready-for-Radio-aus-ELAPOR-Multiplex-264264.htm?shop=hoellein_e&SessionId=&a=article&ProdNr=M264264&t=49301&c=12333&p=12333
3 models which are suited to someone who can fly, even sort of and will give you the chance to fly some mild aerobatics, the Funray is the most advanced of the lot and would only suggest if you can already fly planes.
Hope this helps
Ralph
Post by: Happy Days on April 28, 2020, 15:46:33 PM
Where abouts are you?
Keith
Post by: Andrew101 on April 28, 2020, 17:15:38 PM
Thanks for your replies, some more info...
No previous flights with fixed wing, only sim time.
Am interested in scale/acro, retractable edf acrobatic models in particular. The ASW kit was an impulse buy and was going to purchase, or use an FMS Fox 3m to learn with until it was ready.
I live in Cambridge, UK which is flat with a few small hills. Avg wind speed 11mph mostly from the west per annum.
Thanks again Andrew.
Post by: Flamingo Flier on April 28, 2020, 18:37:05 PM
If you want an elegant and aerobatic sailplane a 3m Alpina might fit the bill.
I think they are still available and in an electric version. The entire Alpina range has always been good kits and good fliers though probably more so when supplied by Multiplex.
Post by: Andrew101 on April 28, 2020, 18:57:22 PM
Hi Andrew,
If you want an elegant and aerobatic sailplane a 3m Alpina might fit the bill.
I think they are still available and in an electric version. The entire Alpina range has always been good kits and good fliers though probably more so when supplied by Multiplex.
Thank you, I did see these on FB that do look very nice indeed!
Alpina in 4m and Antaris in 3.3m.
Maybe something worth waiting for
Post by: Flamingo Flier on April 28, 2020, 20:25:22 PM
I think the 3m would be a better option - the 4 m one is heavy and more difficult to land. I have the 4m and I would recommend the 3m. The 4 m is a fine flier but difficult to launch on your own and as I say not the easiest to land. It covers a lot of ground quickly!