What about this ??

[billscottni]

Fred,

Foam model looks good, but would be best in EPP which I have found almost unobtainable in smallish quantities.

Aresti notation software (free):
http://www.aerobatics.org.il/olan/welcome.php

[joe]

Hey Bill
Try here for EPP.http://www.hei-tec.de/modellbau.html
I mailed them and got pricelists. Can send them on to you if you want?
Haven't ordered yet but will do as soon as the CNC machine is up and running. Will use basic EPS while I get it all calibrated.
Might get the details from you for your blue foam supplier at some stage to!

The plans are available for the Madslide(model in the video) for download. All wood with foam wings. Maybe one for you Keith?

The Plu brothers that were over for Retroplane fly with BPLR and CPLR and said Benoit is constantly designing crazy stuff. Latest is a sloping superman that he flies for the kids.

Go for it on the aerobatic schedule. Needs to be reasonably challenging but as you say still doable with most machines.

[billscottni]

Pic of my madslide from the plan at www.jivaro.org

It's yet to fly and seems a little heavy. Throws are mad on rates and suicidal on full throw. Elevator goes to 60 degrees :twisted:

More info on my own site at http://www.geocities.com/billscottni@btinternet.com/

which is looking for a new home, as geocities is closing!

[joe]

Heres the deal Bill.
I'll host your site and you give me a go on your Madslide!!
Bring it with you in september and lets fly the dam thing. As Keith would say! :wink:  :wink:

[billscottni]

Heres the deal Bill.
I'll host your site and you give me a go on your Madslide!!
Bring it with you in september and lets fly the dam thing. As Keith would say! :wink:  :wink:

I'll bring it and you're welcome to fly it!! :lol:

[Happy Days]

OOOOooooo!................Me too....I want a go!  Oh please let me have a go, I promise I'll be good :roll:  (Provided you have it set up in mode 2).

Strangely I'd been talking to Fred about the Madslide the day before yesterday. He said that in his opion the glider was very limited to one wind condition, which rather put me off. So I'd be very interested to hear your reports on it Bill. (Nice colour scheme by the way. And it's always a pleasure to see a tidy workshop in the background :lol: ) Certainly the Madslide video makes it look 'A okay.' But as I said near the start of this thread, I don't trust videos!

So,.............when are you going to maiden her Bill? (This evening perhaps?)

[billscottni]

It's on mode 2 and yes you can give it a try. I'll bring it with me in Sept. As I said in an earlier post, it feels heavy so will need a good blow to fly in particularly with a fully symmetrical section.

I think it's my fuz that's heavy so if it flies OK I may build a new lighter fuz. I tend to build strong, but not necessarily light!

Workshop does occasionally get a tidy, but normally looks like a hurricane has gone through it!



The working end



The storage end

[Happy Days]

That's very kind of you Bill, I shall look forward to flying her.

Seems you and me have a similar philosophy to models. I too prefer a strong model that's a bit on the heavy side.

It can get very 'blowie' up on Big L. (Fred, Joe and I flew up there once in 100Km/h winds. We could hardly stand up!)

Impressive workshop :clap:  It's been many years since I've seen a garage with "Pit Boards" in it. (Dam,..... I'm showing my age :oops: )

Keith.

[billscottni]

Impressive workshop :clap:  It's been many years since I've seen a garage with "Pit Boards" in it. (Dam,..... I'm showing my age :oops: )

Keith.

Unfortunately the stupid buggers who built the pit forgot to seal it, so it floods in wet weather as water leaches through the walls!!

[joe]

Hey Keith.
Most all out aerobatic gliders are limited to (have a preference for) one condition. Lots of lift!!
They will fly in less but are not as much fun as the wing profiles don't produce much lift as they are fairly symmetrical designed to give good inverted performance. Weight becomes a very important factor. Most 3D gliders are designed to be very light to get the most out of them.

I would say they are designed for your favorite type of slope conditions. A good blow on the north slope and these machines will come alive. A bit like my Jart. Boring in 20kmh wind on the west or south slope. But when you have a good wind especially on the north slope or on the cliffs thats then it starts to be fun.

[Brian]

Keith
My Voltij is heavy/heavy has a symmetrical wing and tail section and seems ok for the little bit I have flown it.
You will have your semi sy,, Phase 6 for the light to moderate stuff.
A point to note is all these aero/3d models can be set up lots of different ways and they love the really strong stuff ,which we get a lot.
Put on big ailerons ( 30% of cord ) hinge them properly and you have a model for 4 axis flying, which on the Voltij seems quite effective, as it can fly in light'ish conditions.

Brian

[Happy Days]

Hmmmmmmm :?:  I have to say this all sounds rather interesting

Thanks for your input Joe and Brian.

On a slight technical note Brian, presumably the ailerons are the full length of the wing? Assuming that to be the case, if the ailerons were each split into flaps/ailerons I'd have crow ability for landing, and with ail/flap mixing, full length aileron for flying.

Oh! I'm feeling a tinge of excitement coming on  (Like when I ask the Misses for a bit of nookie and she says, "Later.....maybe." )

Keith

[billscottni]

but "maybe" = absolutely no fecking chance!!.

At least gliders don't get headaches!

[Alan_Perse]

Hi Bill. Thats a nice workshop. You certainaly have a lot of models.
Whats that your building on your workbench?

[Happy Days]

Bill wrote:

but "maybe" = absolutely no fecking chance!!.

You know my wife Bill?